now I don't know who you are, but i'm gonna believe the people with doctorates and such in this field over you.
SV the very fact you quote a Wiki says enough, since anybody with a psychosis can post anything on the Wikis, I go by actual printed words, not what some psycho could have posted on a wiki, go read the printed word used in colleges and by professionals and they will say the same thing.
"See both of those wikipedia pages, but also the citations/references within them.
Wikipedia articles, just like any professional work written by someone with a doctorate or what have you, use references. That's what's important. Wikipedia is just a collection of links to articles on others which can't
be edited by "anybody with a psychosis"
Also, ironically, the people with psychoses help wikipedia stay true. Bogus info is removed horrifyingly quickly thanks to the neurotic and the obsessive. And, of course, very sane and clever people with a bit of spare time.
Ass, the very fact that
you automatically tried to shut down the wiki use says more than enough- you're a know nothing tool.
by the way if you read the definition of what you posted it would have also backed me up, when it states Originally, the crest was often "continued into the mantling", but today the crest normally stands within a wreath of cloth, called a torse, in the principal tinctures of the shield (the liveries).
Also another proof that the "Family Crest was not used on the helmet was the mere fact that such a decoration would have been disasterous when in combat.
this is my favourite part of your comment: after bashing wikis, you try to use them to back up your own point. In further irony, it just mars your case; the full quote reads thus:
Originally, the crest was often "continued into the mantling", but today the crest normally stands within a wreath of cloth, called a torse, in the principal tinctures of the shield (the liveries). Various kinds of coronet may take the place of the torse, though in some unusual circumstances the coronet sits atop a torse, and is either defined as all or part of a crest."
Moreover, at the top of the page:
The word crest is often mistakenly applied to a coat of arms.
Also telling is the use of the word crest on the coat of arms page (a better referenced page, I should add) - three times used, and referring to exactly what Hothram was.
Don't bite me, Ass. I bite back.